A5000 - diving in at the deep end!

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alexh wrote: Mon May 23, 2022 9:12 am Mine didn't look too bad when I first opened the case but when I started to clean it, tip-toe gently, simply applying the white vinegar (I just poured a little bit out of the bottle) washed away C154, C159 and R430 and their pads :-(
Yeah, C153 had already gone when I got it, the rest seem to be well attached still, though connecting traces to a lot of resistors and caps nearby are bad. C153 is gone along with a trace, but I may have a spare 15pF SMD cap to hand, so I'll just have to concentrate on repairs.

A little worried that the RTC clock may be bad, so going to look see how available they are.

BTW I just booted with the FDD connected and it gave what looked like an error code flashed through the drive LED, so need to look at that too, though I am aware no RTC could also be the reason for that.
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It must be a machines that start with A problem. Had the same with my A2000 and A4000. :-)

I love seeing a good restore after that kind of shenanigans.
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If it is broken too bad perhaps you might be able to use a podule RTC. They are £30 + pnp from CJE or 4D or perhaps make your own.

http://www.cjemicros.co.uk/micros/products/rtc.shtml
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/175250431514
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/175250431830

But discuss it with the other guys over at stardot
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atari030 wrote: Mon May 23, 2022 11:50 am It must be a machines that start with A problem. Had the same with my A2000 and A4000. :-)

I love seeing a good restore after that kind of shenanigans.
:lol:

I'll do my best to do a good restore :)
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alexh wrote: Mon May 23, 2022 12:44 pm If it is broken too bad perhaps you might be able to use a podule RTC. They are £30 + pnp from CJE or 4D or perhaps make your own.

http://www.cjemicros.co.uk/micros/products/rtc.shtml
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/175250431514
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/175250431830

But discuss it with the other guys over at stardot
But does that effectively replace the RTC (And I think to an extent settings) IC58? Or is it just a clock?

BTW, is it supposed to beep on startup at all? Currently doesn't.

Referring to this: https://www.retro-kit.co.uk/page.cfm/co ... -an-A5000/ I think it is posting so I am trying to figure out the FDD flash codes.
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So, the fact I'm getting POST codes from the FDD LED is a definite bonus, it means something is happening.

This is what I get by means of flashes from the FDD LED:

4 short
4 short
4 short
3 short 1 long
4 short
4 short
short long short long
1 long 3 short

Going by the info at retro-kit this is the problem:

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Which makes sense since the RTC/CMOS chip is currently removed. That seemingly is the only error. I have ordered a replacement PCF8583 just in case.

No display at present, but the POST codes are encouraging, though I still need to check the clocks as suggested over at Stardot.
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rubber_jonnie wrote: Mon May 23, 2022 2:05 pm But does that effectively replace the RTC (And I think to an extent settings) IC58? Or is it just a clock?
Yes I believe so, it replaces IC58. It is the CMOS RAM + Battery + RTC. It connects to the I2C bus on the podule connector. Ask over at StarDot if in doubt.

Have you tried the "Power-on-delete" or "Power-on-R" sequence to try to get it to the Supervisor prompt on VGA out?

(Hold delete or r keys when powering on)

While Ian said you can't boot to RiscOS without the CMOS RAM working maybe you can't boot to supervisor prompt?

I've had no hands on time with my A5000 only a bit of reading.
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alexh wrote: Mon May 23, 2022 3:23 pm
rubber_jonnie wrote: Mon May 23, 2022 2:05 pm But does that effectively replace the RTC (And I think to an extent settings) IC58? Or is it just a clock?
Yes I believe so, it replaces IC58. It is the CMOS RAM + Battery + RTC. It connects to the I2C bus on the podule connector. Ask over at StarDot if in doubt.

Have you tried the "Power-on-delete" or "Power-on-R" sequence to try to get it to the Supervisor prompt on VGA out?

(Hold delete or r keys when powering on)

While Ian said you can't boot to RiscOS without the CMOS RAM working maybe you can't boot to supervisor prompt?

I've had no hands on time with my A5000 only a bit of reading.
OK, so power on DEL needs the RTC/CMOS chip in place to work according to Ian over on Stardot.

I'll try power on plus r later.
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@alexh

Nope, power on plus R didn't do anything either.
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rubber_jonnie wrote: Mon May 23, 2022 3:53 pm OK, so power on DEL needs the RTC/CMOS chip in place to work according to Ian over on Stardot.

I'll try power on plus r later.
My A3000 was just blinky LED errors until a replacement CMOS chip was back onboard. No key combo would persuade it to show a screen.

Interestingly the chip was working until I started cleaning up the corrosion and then it stopped! They seem a bit flakey in general.

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