16MHZ Data cache ON, Instruction cache ON.
16MHZ Data cache OFF, Instruction cache ON.
16MHZ Data cache ON, Instruction cache OFF.
16MHZ Data cache OFF, Instruction cache OFF.
8MHZ Data cache ON, Instruction cache ON.
8MHZ Data cache OFF, Instruction cache ON.
8MHZ Data cache ON, Instruction cache OFF.
8MHZ Data cache OFF, Instruction cache OFF.
So the 030 running at 8MHz does a pretty poor job and easily gets beaten be a stock STE.
At 16MHz with caches off, it basically isn't much different than a 16MHz STE.. but of course the 030 has more efficient core, so int-div is much faster than a stock STE by far, but other results are not much different.
Falcon 030 vs STE
Falcon 030 vs STE
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Re: Falcon 030 vs STE
which monitor -VGA or RGB?
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Re: Falcon 030 vs STE
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Re: Falcon 030 vs STE
I always imagined the falcon was a mess, but here we are...
Re: Falcon 030 vs STE
yep, figures are not so impressive, but when we compare Falcon with similar solutions from the same era, it doesn't look so bad:
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Read LW (MB/s) Write LW (MB/s)
Amiga 1200, 020/14, Chipram 4.500 6.900
Falcon 030/16, ST-ram 5.345 6.488
TT 030 32MHz, ST-ram 7.867 7.867
TT 030 32MHz, Fastram 12.615 15.772
Here we can see that Falcon with it's 16 bit bus has better memory (read) performance faster than Amiga 1200 with full 32bit bus.
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Re: Falcon 030 vs STE
You can't turn the blitter off in the falcon
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Re: Falcon 030 vs STE
NVDI turns the BLiTTER off.
can pls you compare STE with NVDI vs Falcon with NVDI?
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Re: Falcon 030 vs STE
Wonder how it does it ?
I only have floppy on my falcon at the moment, so not a simple task to setup
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Re: Falcon 030 vs STE
The A1200 is about 88% underclocked compared to falc, that read result likewise 84%. So it's understandable. Not to resurrect decades old feud but 4MB Falcon vs 4MB 1200 is surely going to look very different?Cyprian wrote: ↑Fri Aug 03, 2018 9:41 am yep, figures are not so impressive, but when we compare Falcon with similar solutions from the same era, it doesn't look so bad:Code: Select all
Read LW (MB/s) Write LW (MB/s) Amiga 1200, 020/14, Chipram 4.500 6.900 Falcon 030/16, ST-ram 5.345 6.488 TT 030 32MHz, ST-ram 7.867 7.867 TT 030 32MHz, Fastram 12.615 15.772
Here we can see that Falcon with it's 16 bit bus has better memory (read) performance faster than Amiga 1200 with full 32bit bus.
Re: Falcon 030 vs STE
Atually would be understandable if both had the same, 32bit data bus. But A1200 had twice wider data bus than Falcon.
Lets say that "falcon was a mess", then what we could say about slower A1200?
I would not go in that direction. Both machines could be faster but IMO they were great anyway.
Lets say that "falcon was a mess", then what we could say about slower A1200?
I would not go in that direction. Both machines could be faster but IMO they were great anyway.
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